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Dean Hoffman

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Article written in September of 2019
Price range from $13,000 to $117,000
https://hiconsumption.com/best-electric-motorcycles/
Range on one charge is 83 miles up to 270 miles for the
expensive one.
This is what Harley Davidson says about their version, the Livewire.
\"Use the onboard Level 1 charger and power cord to connect to any
standard household outlet and get a full charge overnight. For a faster
charge, visit any public Level 3 DC Fast Charge station for 80% charge
in 40 minutes or 100% charge in an hour.\"
$29,800 with a range of 95 miles to 146 miles according to HD.
I wouldn\'t think anything of riding a couple hundred miles one way
to snoop through the Nebraska Sandhills in a day. I think I\'ve ridden
my motorcycles
from my home in Nebraska the 500 miles to St. Louis. I\'ve driven that
distance
quite a few times in a day.
 
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 8:25:13 PM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
Article written in September of 2019
Price range from $13,000 to $117,000
https://hiconsumption.com/best-electric-motorcycles/
Range on one charge is 83 miles up to 270 miles for the
expensive one.
This is what Harley Davidson says about their version, the Livewire.
\"Use the onboard Level 1 charger and power cord to connect to any
standard household outlet and get a full charge overnight. For a faster
charge, visit any public Level 3 DC Fast Charge station for 80% charge
in 40 minutes or 100% charge in an hour.\"
$29,800 with a range of 95 miles to 146 miles according to HD.
I wouldn\'t think anything of riding a couple hundred miles one way
to snoop through the Nebraska Sandhills in a day. I think I\'ve ridden
my motorcycles
from my home in Nebraska the 500 miles to St. Louis. I\'ve driven that
distance
quite a few times in a day.
Click to expand...

There is something not right about the charging numbers. Are you sure they didn\'t say level 2 rather than level 3? If the bike only has a range of 140 miles, that should be a pretty small battery. But then the DC fast charging is around 10x the rate of level 2, so maybe that\'s right. I thinking of charging my 100 kWh battery in an hour, but just because you have a smaller battery doesn\'t mean it can charge faster. Cells don\'t like being charged much faster than a given rate, period. So it will take new technology to get the charging time much lower than an hour for a full charge. The good news is you hardly ever need a full charge even on trips. The charge rate is a lot faster if you only charge to 60% or so and stop a bit more often. That\'s not hard to do on a bike.

Give it all a few more years with even slightly better batteries and I think the EV landscape will be rather different.

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Rick C.

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On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 19:25:04 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com>
wrote:

Article written in September of 2019
Price range from $13,000 to $117,000
https://hiconsumption.com/best-electric-motorcycles/
Range on one charge is 83 miles up to 270 miles for the
expensive one.
This is what Harley Davidson says about their version, the Livewire.
\"Use the onboard Level 1 charger and power cord to connect to any
standard household outlet and get a full charge overnight. For a faster
charge, visit any public Level 3 DC Fast Charge station for 80% charge
in 40 minutes or 100% charge in an hour.\"
$29,800 with a range of 95 miles to 146 miles according to HD.
I wouldn\'t think anything of riding a couple hundred miles one way
to snoop through the Nebraska Sandhills in a day. I think I\'ve ridden
my motorcycles
from my home in Nebraska the 500 miles to St. Louis. I\'ve driven that
distance
quite a few times in a day.
Click to expand...

Electric motorcycles won\'t be popular. They are not noisy enough.



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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On 10/31/20 7:55 PM, Ricketty C wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 8:25:13 PM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
Article written in September of 2019
Price range from $13,000 to $117,000
https://hiconsumption.com/best-electric-motorcycles/
Range on one charge is 83 miles up to 270 miles for the
expensive one.
This is what Harley Davidson says about their version, the Livewire.
\"Use the onboard Level 1 charger and power cord to connect to any
standard household outlet and get a full charge overnight. For a faster
charge, visit any public Level 3 DC Fast Charge station for 80% charge
in 40 minutes or 100% charge in an hour.\"
$29,800 with a range of 95 miles to 146 miles according to HD.
I wouldn\'t think anything of riding a couple hundred miles one way
to snoop through the Nebraska Sandhills in a day. I think I\'ve ridden
my motorcycles
from my home in Nebraska the 500 miles to St. Louis. I\'ve driven that
distance
quite a few times in a day.

There is something not right about the charging numbers. Are you sure they didn\'t say level 2 rather than level 3? If the bike only has a range of 140 miles, that should be a pretty small battery. But then the DC fast charging is around 10x the rate of level 2, so maybe that\'s right. I thinking of charging my 100 kWh battery in an hour, but just because you have a smaller battery doesn\'t mean it can charge faster. Cells don\'t like being charged much faster than a given rate, period. So it will take new technology to get the charging time much lower than an hour for a full charge. The good news is you hardly ever need a full charge even on trips. The charge rate is a lot faster if you only charge to 60% or so and stop a bit more often. That\'s not hard to do on a bike.

Give it all a few more years with even slightly better batteries and I think the EV landscape will be rather different.
Click to expand...
I copied and pasted the part about the charging. HD does
mention level 2 charging at another place. It says level 2 would be at
the same rate as level 1. The battery is
a 15.5 kWh.
<https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/livewire.html>
The sneaky characters offer free charging at participating dealers.
Those dealers happen to sell other HD stuff and what\'s one supposed to
do while waiting for the bike to charge.
 
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 9:28:56 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 19:25:04 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:

Article written in September of 2019
Price range from $13,000 to $117,000
https://hiconsumption.com/best-electric-motorcycles/
Range on one charge is 83 miles up to 270 miles for the
expensive one.
This is what Harley Davidson says about their version, the Livewire.
\"Use the onboard Level 1 charger and power cord to connect to any
standard household outlet and get a full charge overnight. For a faster
charge, visit any public Level 3 DC Fast Charge station for 80% charge
in 40 minutes or 100% charge in an hour.\"
$29,800 with a range of 95 miles to 146 miles according to HD.
I wouldn\'t think anything of riding a couple hundred miles one way
to snoop through the Nebraska Sandhills in a day. I think I\'ve ridden
my motorcycles
from my home in Nebraska the 500 miles to St. Louis. I\'ve driven that
distance
quite a few times in a day.

Electric motorcycles won\'t be popular. They are not noisy enough.
Click to expand...

I\'m not sure, but probably. Being in such a powerful vehicle that makes nearly no sound is an amazing thing. It is truly like something from the future. But most motor cycle owners do like the noise. That doesn\'t mean those who were previously turned off by the noise won\'t be interested.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com> wrote:

Article written in September of 2019 Price range from $13,000 to
$117,000
https://hiconsumption.com/best-electric-motorcycles/ Range on one
charge is 83 miles up to 270 miles for the
expensive one.
This is what Harley Davidson says about their version, the Livewire.
\"Use the onboard Level 1 charger and power cord to connect to any
standard household outlet and get a full charge overnight. For a faster
charge, visit any public Level 3 DC Fast Charge station for 80% charge
in 40 minutes or 100% charge in an hour.\" $29,800 with a range of 95
miles to 146 miles according to HD.
I wouldn\'t think anything of riding a couple hundred miles one way
to snoop through the Nebraska Sandhills in a day. I think I\'ve ridden
my motorcycles from my home in Nebraska the 500 miles to St. Louis.
I\'ve driven that distance quite a few times in a day.

Electric motorcycles won\'t be popular. They are not noisy enough.
Click to expand...

Yep. Love the quietness of my electric bike. Electric vehicles are great for
the vast majority of trips, short trips.
 
On 10/31/2020 8:28 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 19:25:04 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:

Article written in September of 2019
Price range from $13,000 to $117,000
https://hiconsumption.com/best-electric-motorcycles/
Range on one charge is 83 miles up to 270 miles for the
expensive one.
This is what Harley Davidson says about their version, the Livewire.
\"Use the onboard Level 1 charger and power cord to connect to any
standard household outlet and get a full charge overnight. For a faster
charge, visit any public Level 3 DC Fast Charge station for 80% charge
in 40 minutes or 100% charge in an hour.\"
$29,800 with a range of 95 miles to 146 miles according to HD.
I wouldn\'t think anything of riding a couple hundred miles one way
to snoop through the Nebraska Sandhills in a day. I think I\'ve ridden
my motorcycles
from my home in Nebraska the 500 miles to St. Louis. I\'ve driven that
distance
quite a few times in a day.
Electric motorcycles won\'t be popular. They are not noisy enough.
Click to expand...
I watched this video yesterday, at one point he says, \"you can\'t rev the
engine!\"

Then shows that when you advance the throttle the bike moves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4bimEVXRzo&t=12s
Long winded review of the Harley Livewire.
Click to expand...

                                                  Mikek



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