The dirty little secret of the electric car shills...

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Flyguy

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Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact
 
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

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SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN, the mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing..
 
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

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SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN, the mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.

Also keep the old (10 yrs is old for EV) cars running as much as possible.
 
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:29:47 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

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SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN, the mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

Actually your article didn\'t show that Lithium mining is any worse than any other mining. Autos are made of iron. Where do you think that comes from?

https://www.greatmining.com/iornore.html

https://www.greatmining.com/mining_images/iron-ore-mine.png

Or how about the limestone used in making roadways?

https://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/story/news/local/2017/10/09/quarry-neighbors-irate-dumping-water-quality/704093001/

Asphalt is probably the worst stuff around. Not just mining the materials, but then covering 30 million acres in the US...

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Rick C.

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On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:57:50 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

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SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN, the mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.

Also keep the old (10 yrs is old for EV) cars running as much as possible..

Ed doesn\'t understand batteries very well. He doesn\'t get that you can charge a larger battery at a higher current and get it charged up in the same amount of time as a smaller battery. Conversely, a smaller battery can not be charged as fast as a larger battery and so will take many long charging stops to get where he wants to go.

You would think that by driving a car with a very limited battery he would understand that, but I guess he doesn\'t get the other half of the equation, driving a decent car with a working larger battery.

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Rick C.

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+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 11:12:00 AM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:57:50 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

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SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN, the mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.

Also keep the old (10 yrs is old for EV) cars running as much as possible.

Ed doesn\'t understand batteries very well. He doesn\'t get that you can charge a larger battery at a higher current and get it charged up in the same amount of time as a smaller battery. Conversely, a smaller battery can not be charged as fast as a larger battery and so will take many long charging stops to get where he wants to go.

Rick doesn\'t understand that you can charge batteries in segments. My auxiliary batteries can be charged in 4 parallel segments of 100V and run in series of 400V. Well, at least in theory, until I get someone to install hooks in my main batteries.
 
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 2:19:58 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 11:12:00 AM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:57:50 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

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SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN, the mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.

Also keep the old (10 yrs is old for EV) cars running as much as possible.

Ed doesn\'t understand batteries very well. He doesn\'t get that you can charge a larger battery at a higher current and get it charged up in the same amount of time as a smaller battery. Conversely, a smaller battery can not be charged as fast as a larger battery and so will take many long charging stops to get where he wants to go.

Rick doesn\'t understand that you can charge batteries in segments. My auxiliary batteries can be charged in 4 parallel segments of 100V and run in series of 400V. Well, at least in theory, until I get someone to install hooks in my main batteries.

Ed doesn\'t understand that cars are already set up to charge rapidly as practical. He also doesn\'t understand that people want to drive cars, not do goofy things to get them charged.

Bottom line is my car will charge as fast as his car because NONE of the cells are receptive to being charged faster. It doesn\'t matter how you configure the cells.

Ed, try to learn something about batteries. You can do things so that they charge slower, but you can\'t do anything to charge them faster than optimal without excess harm.

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Rick C.

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On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:44:22 PM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 2:19:58 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 11:12:00 AM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:57:50 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

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SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN, the mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it.. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.

Also keep the old (10 yrs is old for EV) cars running as much as possible.

Ed doesn\'t understand batteries very well. He doesn\'t get that you can charge a larger battery at a higher current and get it charged up in the same amount of time as a smaller battery. Conversely, a smaller battery can not be charged as fast as a larger battery and so will take many long charging stops to get where he wants to go.

Rick doesn\'t understand that you can charge batteries in segments. My auxiliary batteries can be charged in 4 parallel segments of 100V and run in series of 400V. Well, at least in theory, until I get someone to install hooks in my main batteries.
Ed doesn\'t understand that cars are already set up to charge rapidly as practical. He also doesn\'t understand that people want to drive cars, not do goofy things to get them charged.

Bottom line is my car will charge as fast as his car because NONE of the cells are receptive to being charged faster. It doesn\'t matter how you configure the cells.

So, it does not matter with the size of the batteries.

> Ed, try to learn something about batteries. You can do things so that they charge slower, but you can\'t do anything to charge them faster than optimal without excess harm.

Rick, i don\'t need to change them faster. I just need it to cover the 25 miles uphill from 2000\' to 5000\'. I just need to use it once during round-trip SF and LA. In fact, i can charge them at home for days.

Rick\'s law of EV physics: only Tesla can provide EV solution.
Ed\'s rule: break Rick\'s law.
 
On 10/31/2020 6:25 PM, Flyguy wrote:
> Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them.

No, they all require a source of electricity. Even a rightwing wack-job
should understand that!
 
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 5:29:47 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

Hey SL0W MAN, the mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article?

You posted it, so it clearly wasn\'t worth reading. Any kind of mining can be an environmental disaster, if the people doing the mining are free to do it as cheaply as possible. It doesn\'t take much regulation to make them better behaved, and being tidy about it rarely costs enough to make the mine unprofitable.

> But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press.

What makes you think that?

> And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

Lithium isn\'t a rare earth (which are lot further up the periodic table, and not all that rare) and a magnetometer wouldn\'t help you find it. Mining companies are always looking for new deposits to mine - though usually not all that hard. Aerial surveys are a lot cheaper than getting around on the ground with a geologists hammer, but usually less informative.One acquaintance completed the first geological map of a a complete continental plate (the Arabian peninsula, which is the smallest single plate on the planet) but he was working for oil companies at the time.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 5:57:50 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

The mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.

No. We should regulate the mining companies so they spend a little bit more on keeping their mining operations tidy. Mining doesn\'t have to be an environmental disaster, but if the companies can get a way with the cheapest possible approach (by bribing somebody like Trump) they are tempted to save money by trashing the neighourhood.

> Also keep the old (10 yrs is old for EV) cars running as much as possible..

For as long as possible? Improving battery technology will almost certainly do that anyway. There has already been a marked improvement in vehicle battery lifetime in recent years, and some weird recent paper in the Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science talked about using liquid crystal elelctrolytes to suppress dendrite formation on lithium electrodes. It might work.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:19:32 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 5:57:50 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

The mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press.. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.
No. We should regulate the mining companies so they spend a little bit more on keeping their mining operations tidy. Mining doesn\'t have to be an environmental disaster, but if the companies can get a way with the cheapest possible approach (by bribing somebody like Trump) they are tempted to save money by trashing the neighourhood.

or bribing Biden to do it in China or some hidden places under control of CCP. Look like we will have four more years to complaint about our new President\'s dirty laundry.
 
On 11/1/2020 5:40 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 10/31/2020 6:25 PM, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require
batteries, A LOT of them.

No, they all require a source of electricity.  Even a rightwing wack-job
should understand that!

Coal mining ain\'t making West Virginia any prettier, either:

<https://ohvec.org/high-resolution-mountaintop-removal-pictures/>
 
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:57:36 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:19:32 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 5:57:50 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

The mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.
No. We should regulate the mining companies so they spend a little bit more on keeping their mining operations tidy. Mining doesn\'t have to be an environmental disaster, but if the companies can get a way with the cheapest possible approach (by bribing somebody like Trump) they are tempted to save money by trashing the neighourhood.

or bribing Biden to do it in China or some hidden places under control of CCP. Look like we will have four more years to complaint about our new President\'s dirty laundry.

You are the kind of gullible twit who takes Trump\'s spectacularly implausible election propaganda seriously. The rump of the Republican Party may be silly enough to do the same, but it seems unlikely.

Nobody sane would rely on China for strategic materials, and US politicians exist to get bribed by US moneyed interests. China isn\'t going to get a look in.

After Trump\'s horrible example, the bribery and corruption will probably have to be much less ostentatious for the next few years at least. It\'s conceivable that the US may eventually get it\'s act together and run the country in a way that delivers a rather better quality of life to the 99% in the lower end of the income distribution, but I\'m not all that optimistic.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:36:28 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:57:36 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:19:32 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 5:57:50 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

The mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.
No. We should regulate the mining companies so they spend a little bit more on keeping their mining operations tidy. Mining doesn\'t have to be an environmental disaster, but if the companies can get a way with the cheapest possible approach (by bribing somebody like Trump) they are tempted to save money by trashing the neighourhood.

or bribing Biden to do it in China or some hidden places under control of CCP. Look like we will have four more years to complaint about our new President\'s dirty laundry.
You are the kind of gullible twit who takes Trump\'s spectacularly implausible election propaganda seriously. The rump of the Republican Party may be silly enough to do the same, but it seems unlikely.

You take every opportunities of trashing our system, on behalf of the CCP. I am just rebutting your proclamations.

> Nobody sane would rely on China for strategic materials, and US politicians exist to get bribed by US moneyed interests. China isn\'t going to get a look in.

But you support Biden and his goal of going back to China, without trade tariffs and restrictions.
 
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-8, Ricketty C wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 1:29:47 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

--
SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN, the mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

Actually your article didn\'t show that Lithium mining is any worse than any other mining. Autos are made of iron. Where do you think that comes from?

https://www.greatmining.com/iornore.html

https://www.greatmining.com/mining_images/iron-ore-mine.png

Or how about the limestone used in making roadways?

https://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/story/news/local/2017/10/09/quarry-neighbors-irate-dumping-water-quality/704093001/

Asphalt is probably the worst stuff around. Not just mining the materials, but then covering 30 million acres in the US...

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

You are joking, right? I don\'t see piles of dead animals lying around by iron ore mines. And they aren\'t causing people to starve because they can\'t grow their crops. And US mines DON\'T use child labor - shades of blood diamonds.
 
On 11/1/2020 6:33 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 11/1/2020 5:40 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 10/31/2020 6:25 PM, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A
LOT of them.

No, they all require a source of electricity. Even a rightwing wack-job
should understand that!

Coal mining ain\'t making West Virginia any prettier, either:

https://ohvec.org/high-resolution-mountaintop-removal-pictures/

We have similar problems with open pit copper mining.

Tom is just selective about what he wants to gripe about.
 
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:36:28 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:57:36 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:19:32 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 5:57:50 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:29:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:10:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 12:25:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A LOT of them. And these batteries all use lithium. Have these libtards given a moments thought as to WHERE this lithium comes from? I seriously doubt it. Well, it ISN\'T PRETTY:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The subject has been looked at. If electric cars need enough of it to justify opening up new lithium mines, this will happen. It\'s doesn\'t look as if all the richer deposits around the world are being worked yet, and if they get worked out, the element will get dug out of places where the ores aren\'t as rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

There are researchers looking at other battery chemistries - there are a lot of them - and if lithium gets expensive enough one of them will probably become main stream.

Lithium was one of the elements produced in the big bang. It gets eaten up in the cores of main sequence stars, but super-nova seem to have produced enough that there\'s more of it in second and third generation stars than there is in first generation stars (who have been eating up what they got from the big bang.)

The mining of lithium is, right now, an ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER - didn\'t you even READ the article? But you won\'t hear this from the liberal press. And they ARE looking for other sources of lithium. I personally watched a helicopter depart an airport in Nevada on a daily basis that had a long probe out of its nose. This probe had a magnetometer on it. They were mapping the area for rare earth metals used in electric car manufacturing.

That\'s why we should go with smaller batteries for daily use, removable one for long trips, and charging stations every 30 miles. When there are enough charging stations, people won\'t need big batteries.
No. We should regulate the mining companies so they spend a little bit more on keeping their mining operations tidy. Mining doesn\'t have to be an environmental disaster, but if the companies can get a way with the cheapest possible approach (by bribing somebody like Trump) they are tempted to save money by trashing the neighourhood.

or bribing Biden to do it in China or some hidden places under control of CCP. Look like we will have four more years to complaint about our new President\'s dirty laundry.

You are the kind of gullible twit who takes Trump\'s spectacularly implausible election propaganda seriously. The rump of the Republican Party may be silly enough to do the same, but it seems unlikely.

Nobody sane would rely on China for strategic materials, and US politicians exist to get bribed by US moneyed interests. China isn\'t going to get a look in.

After Trump\'s horrible example, the bribery and corruption will probably have to be much less ostentatious for the next few years at least. It\'s conceivable that the US may eventually get it\'s act together and run the country in a way that delivers a rather better quality of life to the 99% in the lower end of the income distribution, but I\'m not all that optimistic.

--
SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN, CONGRATULATIONS on getting something right, FINALLY - China IS bribing Biden!
 
On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 7:57:51 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote:
On 11/1/2020 6:33 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 11/1/2020 5:40 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 10/31/2020 6:25 PM, Flyguy wrote:
Every electric car has one thing in common: they all require batteries, A
LOT of them.

No, they all require a source of electricity. Even a rightwing wack-job
should understand that!

Coal mining ain\'t making West Virginia any prettier, either:

https://ohvec.org/high-resolution-mountaintop-removal-pictures/

We have similar problems with open pit copper mining.

Tom is just selective about what he wants to gripe about.

WHAT similar problems are we having with open-pit copper mining? Cite a reliable reference, please.
 

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