Motorola transceivers....

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Hi,

I was given the Motorola transceivers visible here.
http://easthope.ca/Motorolas.jpg

Anyone concerned about the acquisition can email me, peter at easthope
dot ca .

Can the two models, Mag One BPR40 and CLS1413, interoperate? If so
what settings are needed. The middle dial on the Mag One is channel.
Settings on the CLS1413 are via the buttons and small display.

Thanks, ... P.

 

[Peter W.]

That depends on how they are configured at the initial set-up. The model gives the features and base frequency range(s) available. From there, whatever crystal or band-set is installed within the available range determines whether they will be compatible or not - if in the same band.

The CSL is a four-channel UHF model.
The BRP is either VHF or UHF. Which do you have?

Start there.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 23:56:02 -0000 (UTC), peter@easthope.ca wrote:

Hi,

I was given the Motorola transceivers visible here.
http://easthope.ca/Motorolas.jpg

Anyone concerned about the acquisition can email me, peter at easthope
dot ca .

Can the two models, Mag One BPR40 and CLS1413, interoperate? If so
what settings are needed. The middle dial on the Mag One is channel.
Settings on the CLS1413 are via the buttons and small display.

Thanks, ... P.

That depends on how they were programmed. For the BPR40
<https://www.motorolasolutions.com/en_us/products/two-way-radios/analog-business-radios/portable-radios/bpr40.html>
you\'ll need to find the CPS (customer programming software):
\"How To Program Motorola Mag One BPR40 Two-Way Radio\"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGKm1WFQPN8>

For the CLS1413, the programming is method is different:
<https://shop.motorolasolutions.com/cls1413-two-way-radio-for-business-4-channel-uhf/product/CU1413BKV4BA>
The CLS1413 is provided with a menu of 56 business and comercial radio
frequencies. You can\'t just pick a frequency that matches whatever is
in your PBR40\'s or some random frequency that seems un-used. The good
news is that you don\'t need any programming software:
<https://www.twowayradiosfor.com/cls-programming-s/2024.htm>

I suspect that you\'re not familiar with the FCC rules and regulations
governing the use of such radios. You haven\'t disclosed what you plan
to do with the radios or which radio service you plan to use (MURS,
FRS, GMRS, ham, business/commerical, public safety, dot and star,
etc). For some applications, an FCC license or registration will be
required. I suggest you discuss these issues with someone local who
is familiar with the issues involved and who can help you with the
programming.


--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

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In article <ua0pbhtdfggqa7g6omnr4g46rckdl5n91c@4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

That depends on how they were programmed. For the BPR40
https://www.motorolasolutions.com/en_us/products/two-way-radios/analog-business-radios/portable-radios/bpr40.html
you\'ll need to find the CPS (customer programming software):
\"How To Program Motorola Mag One BPR40 Two-Way Radio\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGKm1WFQPN8

For the CLS1413, the programming is method is different:
https://shop.motorolasolutions.com/cls1413-two-way-radio-for-business-4-channel-uhf/product/CU1413BKV4BA
The CLS1413 is provided with a menu of 56 business and comercial radio
frequencies. You can\'t just pick a frequency that matches whatever is
in your PBR40\'s or some random frequency that seems un-used. The good
news is that you don\'t need any programming software:
https://www.twowayradiosfor.com/cls-programming-s/2024.htm

Thanks.

I suspect that you\'re not familiar with the FCC rules and
regulations governing the use of such radios.

Correct; probably Industry Canada regs here.

You haven\'t disclosed what you plan to do with the radios or which
radio service you plan to use (MURS, FRS, GMRS, ham,
business/commerical, public safety, dot and star, etc). For some
applications, an FCC license or registration will be required.

First instinct was just sell on eBay but two other possibilities here.
(1) The Capital Regional District has organized an emergency plan. If
the radios can be set up for emergency communications, might deploy
for that.

(2) Many boaters here. If radios can be used for marine
communications, that\'s also possible.

I suggest you discuss these issues with someone local who is familiar
with the issues involved and who can help you with the programming.

Will do. Thx, ... P.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:47:10 -0000 (UTC), peter@easthope.ca wrote:

In article <ua0pbhtdfggqa7g6omnr4g46rckdl5n91c@4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
That depends on how they were programmed. For the BPR40
https://www.motorolasolutions.com/en_us/products/two-way-radios/analog-business-radios/portable-radios/bpr40.html
you\'ll need to find the CPS (customer programming software):
\"How To Program Motorola Mag One BPR40 Two-Way Radio\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGKm1WFQPN8

For the CLS1413, the programming is method is different:
https://shop.motorolasolutions.com/cls1413-two-way-radio-for-business-4-channel-uhf/product/CU1413BKV4BA
The CLS1413 is provided with a menu of 56 business and comercial radio
frequencies. You can\'t just pick a frequency that matches whatever is
in your PBR40\'s or some random frequency that seems un-used. The good
news is that you don\'t need any programming software:
https://www.twowayradiosfor.com/cls-programming-s/2024.htm

Thanks.

I suspect that you\'re not familiar with the FCC rules and
regulations governing the use of such radios.

Correct; probably Industry Canada regs here.

Sorry. I didn\'t see the Canada in your email address. I have no
knowledge of how Canada handles such situations or if US type
certified radios can be used in Canada. I did suggest that you
contact someone local (in Canada) to explain how things work. I can
try to answer your questions, but only from the US perspective.

You haven\'t disclosed what you plan to do with the radios or which
radio service you plan to use (MURS, FRS, GMRS, ham,
business/commerical, public safety, dot and star, etc). For some
applications, an FCC license or registration will be required.

First instinct was just sell on eBay but two other possibilities here.
(1) The Capital Regional District has organized an emergency plan. If
the radios can be set up for emergency communications, might deploy
for that.

We have a variety of such organizations in the US. The one\'s I\'m
familiar with use ham radios, not commercial radios. A few
neighborhood organizations user FRS, GMRS, and MURS radios. At one
time, it was possible to buy a combined FRS/GMRS handheld. After
2017, the FCC loosened up on some of the specifications, increased the
power levels, allowed repeaters for GMRS, but banned the FRS/GMRS
combined radios. This covers a small part of the changes and includes
a few enforcement horror stories:
<https://backcountryaccess.com/en-us/blog/p/two-way-radios-learn-the-new-fcc-rules>
Notice the giant fine for programming an unlicensed radio. I have no
idea how this translates in Canada.

Also, radios are type certified by class of service. For example, if
you want to use a radio on business frequencies, you buy a radio that
has been certified for use on business frequencies. Same for ham,
FRS, GMRS, marine VHF, public safety, and a long list of specialized
services. The FCC allows radios to operate in only one class of
service. Therefore you won\'t find a combination of marine and
business class radios. You can look this up using the FCC ID number
that appears on every legal radio at:
<https://fccid.io>

From my limited experience with emergency communications, the
organization provides a short list of acceptable equipment and radios.
Sometimes, the radios are purchased by members, by the organization,
loaned to members, or similarly distributed. Having them limited to a
few makers and models makes training, servicing, programming, and
purchasing much easier. Unless your radios have been approved for use
in Canada, you might as well sell them on eBay to US users:
<https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ceb-bhst.nsf/eng/h_tt00020.html>
<https://sms-sgs.ic.gc.ca/equipmentSearch/searchRadioEquipments?execution=e1s1&lang=en>

(2) Many boaters here. If radios can be used for marine
communications, that\'s also possible.

Nope. I used to design marine radios for Intech Inc. Marine radios
are designed to handle a specific list of frequencies and frequency
pairs specific to the country of origin. Here\'s the Canadian list:
<https://www.boat-ed.com/canada/studyGuide/VHF-Marine-Radio-Channels/101199_116029/>
The main problem here is that all the marine channels (except for HF
channels) are on VHF frequencies. From the length of the antennas, my
guess(tm) is that all your radios are made for UHF frequencies. That\'s
not going to work.

My guess(tm) is that all your radios can only be licensed for
business/commercial frequencies and use on UHF. I think your best bet
might be to sell them to a Canadian user of business/commercial UHF
frequencies. However, do this only if you\'re sure that the radios are
approved for use in Canada. Otherwise, sell them in the US.

I suggest you discuss these issues with someone local who is familiar
with the issues involved and who can help you with the programming.

Will do. Thx, ... P.

Probably for the best unless someone from Canada appears in the
newsgroup. Good luck.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

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In article <b170caac-e155-41a4-97e6-19667d0d1aban@googlegroups.com>, \"Peter W.\" <peterwieck33@gmail.com> wrote:

That depends on how they are configured at the initial set-up. The
model gives the features and base frequency range(s) available. From
there, whatever crystal or band-set is installed within the available
range determines whether they will be compatible or not - if in the
same band.

The CSL is a four-channel UHF model.
The BRP is either VHF or UHF. Which do you have?

Peter,

Thanks for the reply.

Photo of the nameplate here.
http://easthope.ca/MotorolaNameplate.jpg

https://www.twowaydirect.com/motorola-mag-one-bpr40-radio-8-channel-uhf-aah84rcs8aa1an/
has this info.
TX Power (UHF): 4 Watts
TX Power (VHF): 5 Watts
Specs
Frequency band: UHF

Ambiguous. It has UHF and VHF or just UHF?

The shiney disks and ovals below the nameplate are foil covers. Screws
under them? Otherwise I don\'t see how to open to change a crystal or
band-set.

Thx, ... P.L.

..

 

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In article <bm5qbh1cbf3go81oupemsafp6gc14v8dlq@4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

We have a variety of such organizations in the US. The one\'s I\'m
familiar with use ham radios, not commercial radios. A few
neighborhood organizations user FRS, GMRS, and MURS radios. At one
time, it was possible to buy a combined FRS/GMRS handheld. After
2017, the FCC loosened up on some of the specifications, increased the
power levels, allowed repeaters for GMRS, but banned the FRS/GMRS
combined radios. This covers a small part of the changes and includes
a few enforcement horror stories:
https://backcountryaccess.com/en-us/blog/p/two-way-radios-learn-the-new-fcc-rules
Notice the giant fine for programming an unlicensed radio. I have no
idea how this translates in Canada.

Read about FRS, GMRS, and MURS in the Wikipedia. Appears MURS isn\'t
used in Canada. Will have to enquire about the service used by the
CRD emergency response organization.

My guess(tm) is that all your radios can only be licensed for
business/commercial frequencies and use on UHF. I think your best bet
might be to sell them to a Canadian user of business/commercial UHF
frequencies. However, do this only if you\'re sure that the radios are
approved for use in Canada. Otherwise, sell them in the US.

These radios were used by the maintenance team in a health care
facility. No doubt strictly within regulations. I don\'t know which
\"service\" that is. FRS, GMRS, something else?

In any case, changing the crystal or reprogramming for a different
service is probably not feasible.

Thanks, ... P.

 

[Peter W.]

I expect those devices are software-programmed. That looks like a plug that is connected to a programmer that does what needs to be done. I expect the foil covers are over adjustments made once the band & frequency mix has been set at the factory. I do not think they will be dual-band at the user level but set \'from-the-factory\' at either VHF or UHF, and that choice would be made by the end-user based on any number of parameters.

We use a local supplier for our radios of that nature, and they do all the programming at their shop. I expect that if you dispose of these devices to an organization that is able to comply with the applicable regulations, they will have such a supplier already who will be equipped to make them compatible with their existing systems.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[three_jeeps]

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 2:24:18 AM UTC-4, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:

In article <bm5qbh1cbf3go81ou...@4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
We have a variety of such organizations in the US. The one\'s I\'m
familiar with use ham radios, not commercial radios. A few
neighborhood organizations user FRS, GMRS, and MURS radios. At one
time, it was possible to buy a combined FRS/GMRS handheld. After
2017, the FCC loosened up on some of the specifications, increased the
power levels, allowed repeaters for GMRS, but banned the FRS/GMRS
combined radios.
snip
These radios were used by the maintenance team in a health care
facility. No doubt strictly within regulations. I don\'t know which
\"service\" that is. FRS, GMRS, something else?

In any case, changing the crystal or reprogramming for a different
service is probably not feasible.

Thanks, ... P.

I would not make that conclusion at this point as you don\'t have enough information. Download the user/programming manual to determine the frequency range they are designed to work in. If you have trouble deciphering the details you may want to consider contacting a local ham radio club and see if there is a member who could provide some insight. If that person can\'t chances are he can point you to an organization that could help.
Sorry, I can\'t be of more help - am only familiar with my local amature radio and their emergency network. I have no knowledge of the radios in question.
Good luck

J

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 05:03:19 -0000 (UTC), peter@easthope.ca wrote:

Photo of the nameplate here.
http://easthope.ca/MotorolaNameplate.jpg

The number after the IC is the Industry Canada Radio Equipment
approval number. You can check the number at:
<https://industrycanada.co>
However, I doubt that your radios are counterfeits.

https://www.twowaydirect.com/motorola-mag-one-bpr40-radio-8-channel-uhf-aah84rcs8aa1an/
has this info.
TX Power (UHF): 4 Watts
TX Power (VHF): 5 Watts
Specs
Frequency band: UHF

Ambiguous. It has UHF and VHF or just UHF?

Looking up the Motorola model number AAH84RCS8AA1AN
<https://www.google.com/search?q=AAH84RCS8AA1AN>
I find that it\'s UHF only. The reason they have both listed in the
specifications is that they are trying to cover a variety of models
and options on one data sheet.

The shiney disks and ovals below the nameplate are foil covers. Screws
under them? Otherwise I don\'t see how to open to change a crystal or
band-set.

Don\'t mess with the adjustments unless you have the knowledge, test
equipment, and proper license to do the job correctly. Most
adjustments, including frequency, are done digitally, via either a
computer or from the keyboard. Please refer to the videos on the
pages I previously posted. I haven\'t replaced crystals in Motorola
radios since about the last century.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 06:24:13 -0000 (UTC), peter@easthope.ca wrote:

These radios were used by the maintenance team in a health care
facility. No doubt strictly within regulations. I don\'t know which
\"service\" that is. FRS, GMRS, something else?

If they were in the USA, it would be commercial/business and require a
license for the hospital. There are seperate services, with seperate
licenses for amulances, helicopter but those are usually independent
from the hospital. Maintenance would be part of the hospital.

In any case, changing the crystal or reprogramming for a different
service is probably not feasible.

Reprogramming the frequency is quite feasable as long as it\'s used for
the same service (business/commerical) and the assocatied license is
for commercial or business use. If you\'re going to sell the radios,
the prospective buyers will likely know whether the radios can be used
for their existing service.

I didn\'t see any chargers or spare batteries in your photos. I hope
you have those available.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

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In article <lolrbh5g3ns17iil2dnunfv251blj77g5a@4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

I didn\'t see any chargers or spare batteries in your photos. I hope
you have those available.

All charger bases and power adapters are available.
No spare batteries.

Will post again after local equiries.

Thanks to all for the helpful replies.

Regards, ... P.