EU vows to protect energy systems after \'sabotage\' on Russian gas pipelines...

[Fred Bloggs]

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.

Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.

Punish europe by blowing up their own pipeline? Why not close some
valves?

A good fraction of the Russian defense budget is stolen.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:10:30 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.
Punish europe by blowing up their own pipeline? Why not close some
valves?

Doing it this way disrupts Baltic shipping. They have so much gas in the water, a ship straying into it will sink like a rock, so everything needs to be re-routed.

And they didn\'t blow up the whole pipeline, they just severed it at one spot. The seismology readings indicated a 100kg charge- I assume TNT equivalent.

A good fraction of the Russian defense budget is stolen.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

onsdag den 28. september 2022 kl. 17.07.15 UTC+2 skrev Fred Bloggs:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?
They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.

But with a functioning pipeline the European population might pressure European politicians to stop supporting Ukraine and give up sanctions to get cheaper gas. With no working pipeline that is no longer an option

Doesn\'t make any sense for Russia to blow the one thing they have to offer

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:10:30 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.
Punish europe by blowing up their own pipeline? Why not close some
valves?

Doing it this way disrupts Baltic shipping. They have so much gas in the water, a ship straying into it will sink like a rock, so everything needs to be re-routed.

And they didn\'t blow up the whole pipeline, they just severed it at one spot. The seismology readings indicated a 100kg charge- I assume TNT equivalent.


A good fraction of the Russian defense budget is stolen.

Since Putin is clearly insane, it\'s difficult to understand
motivations.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:55:47 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:10:30 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.
Punish europe by blowing up their own pipeline? Why not close some
valves?

Doing it this way disrupts Baltic shipping. They have so much gas in the water, a ship straying into it will sink like a rock, so everything needs to be re-routed.

And they didn\'t blow up the whole pipeline, they just severed it at one spot. The seismology readings indicated a 100kg charge- I assume TNT equivalent.


A good fraction of the Russian defense budget is stolen.
Since Putin is clearly insane, it\'s difficult to understand
motivations.

I would expect them to blame Ukraine, and to retaliate whether it\'s true or not. But Russia is usually silent.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 9:01:23 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:55:47 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:10:30 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.
Punish europe by blowing up their own pipeline? Why not close some
valves?

Doing it this way disrupts Baltic shipping. They have so much gas in the water, a ship straying into it will sink like a rock, so everything needs to be re-routed.

And they didn\'t blow up the whole pipeline, they just severed it at one spot. The seismology readings indicated a 100kg charge- I assume TNT equivalent.


A good fraction of the Russian defense budget is stolen.
Since Putin is clearly insane, it\'s difficult to understand
motivations.
I would expect them to blame Ukraine, and to retaliate whether it\'s true or not. But Russia is usually silent.

I mean unusually silent.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:55:47 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:48:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:10:30 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.
Punish europe by blowing up their own pipeline? Why not close some
valves?

Doing it this way disrupts Baltic shipping. They have so much gas in the water, a ship straying into it will sink like a rock, so everything needs to be re-routed.

And they didn\'t blow up the whole pipeline, they just severed it at one spot. The seismology readings indicated a 100kg charge- I assume TNT equivalent.


A good fraction of the Russian defense budget is stolen.
Since Putin is clearly insane, it\'s difficult to understand
motivations.

He just asked himself: What would Ivan The Terrible do in a situation like this?

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 29/9/22 01:10, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.

Punish europe by blowing up their own pipeline? Why not close some
valves?

All the Baltic states have motivation to blow it up. Without Nord Stream
2, Ruzzia can only ship gas on their overland pipes, so has to either
invade or keep paying for the privilege.

There was talk of contractual fines due to non-shipment of gas, now not
payable due to force majeur, so that\'s a possible Ruzzian motivation.

Who knows? Maybe we\'ll never know the truth.

CH

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:46:06 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

Some folk think any kind of turmoil is opportunity. The pipeline \'owner\' is whoever
holds the bonds on its construction: probably not Russians. Damage means
another bond issue, perhaps, and reopening of diplomatic discussions on
the future... either of which is an exploitable opportunity for Putin or his puppets.

There have been suspicious deaths among Russian oil oligarchs, perhaps
related to an internal Russian power play (so profit isn\'t necessarily the motive).

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

torsdag den 29. september 2022 kl. 01.04.30 UTC+2 skrev whit3rd:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:46:06 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.
Some folk think any kind of turmoil is opportunity. The pipeline \'owner\' is whoever
holds the bonds on its construction: probably not Russians. Damage means
another bond issue, perhaps, and reopening of diplomatic discussions on
the future... either of which is an exploitable opportunity for Putin or his puppets.

There have been suspicious deaths among Russian oil oligarchs, perhaps
related to an internal Russian power play (so profit isn\'t necessarily the motive).

but what does Putin gain? With no pipeline EU politicians don\'t have to deal with
people who wants sanctions lifted because they care more about cheap gas than
what happens to Ukraine

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 4:37:56 PM UTC-7, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

torsdag den 29. september 2022 kl. 01.04.30 UTC+2 skrev whit3rd:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:46:06 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Oinn Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.
Some folk think any kind of turmoil is opportunity. The pipeline \'owner\' is whoever
holds the bonds on its construction: probably not Russians. Damage means
another bond issue, perhaps, and reopening of diplomatic discussions on
the future... either of which is an exploitable opportunity for Putin or his puppets.

There have been suspicious deaths among Russian oil oligarchs, perhaps
related to an internal Russian power play (so profit isn\'t necessarily the motive).
but what does Putin gain? With no pipeline EU politicians don\'t have to deal with
people who wants sanctions lifted because they care more about cheap gas than
what happens to Ukraine

Lame Kremlin responses speak volume. They are not blaming Ukraine and/or the west. I think they know who did it Some hard liners are forcing Putin\'s hand to escalate, but Putin does not want to honor their wishes.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.

Nah, they can do that without trashing expensive infrastructure.
Seawater does nasty things when it gets inside pipelines.

European voters are unfortunately going to get a good look at the
reasons you shouldn\'t allow an autistic seventeen-year-old to dictate
your energy policy. Hopefully the survivors will remember the tragic
lesson.

\"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.\"

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 1:28:55 AM UTC+10, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.

\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.

Nah, they can do that without trashing expensive infrastructure.
Seawater does nasty things when it gets inside pipelines.

European voters are unfortunately going to get a good look at the
reasons you shouldn\'t allow an autistic seventeen-year-old to dictate
your energy policy. Hopefully the survivors will remember the tragic
lesson.

Greta Thunberg didn\'t dictate anybody\'s energy policy, She did make a good case for reduced reliance on burning fossil carbon as an energy source. If she\'d been taken more seriously, Europe might not now be quite so dependent on Russian natural gas.

Since moving to renewable energy sources involves a lot of capital investment, it was never going to happen fast, and her influence was never going to speed it up enough to make much difference to the current situation. Most of the motivation to make the move is that renewable energy sources offer cheaper electricity than burning fossil carbon or U-235, so there\'s not a lot of idealism involved.

> \"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.\"

The climate change denial lobby is greedy, rather than mad, but they\'ve got to be pretty silly to to be that greedy for short term gain and remarkably dumb to ignore the long term damage (though most of that is showing up in Florida at the moment).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

torsdag den 29. september 2022 kl. 17.50.33 UTC+2 skrev bill....@ieee.org:

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 1:28:55 AM UTC+10, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.

\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.

Nah, they can do that without trashing expensive infrastructure.
Seawater does nasty things when it gets inside pipelines.

European voters are unfortunately going to get a good look at the
reasons you shouldn\'t allow an autistic seventeen-year-old to dictate
your energy policy. Hopefully the survivors will remember the tragic
lesson.
Greta Thunberg didn\'t dictate anybody\'s energy policy, She did make a good case for reduced reliance on burning fossil carbon as an energy source. If she\'d been taken more seriously, Europe might not now be quite so dependent on Russian natural gas.

Since moving to renewable energy sources involves a lot of capital investment, it was never going to happen fast, and her influence was never going to speed it up enough to make much difference to the current situation. Most of the motivation to make the move is that renewable energy sources offer cheaper electricity than burning fossil carbon or U-235, so there\'s not a lot of idealism involved.
\"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.\"
The climate change denial lobby is greedy, rather than mad, but they\'ve got to be pretty silly to to be that greedy for short term gain and remarkably dumb to ignore the long term damage (though most of that is showing up in Florida at the moment).

well the same people who have been yelling at politicians for not saving the world from global warming is now yelling for taxes on energy to be removed
because it is too expensive, I guess the environment is only important when it doesn\'t cost anything or someone else has to pay

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:28:47 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.


Nah, they can do that without trashing expensive infrastructure.
Seawater does nasty things when it gets inside pipelines.

European voters are unfortunately going to get a good look at the
reasons you shouldn\'t allow an autistic seventeen-year-old to dictate
your energy policy. Hopefully the survivors will remember the tragic
lesson.

\"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.\"

Thunberg is just a special case of don\'t allow anybody to dictate your
energy policy. A century of complex market driven technology can be
destroyed in a few years by moron politicians.

It might get cold in Germany soon. Things will swing back hard, in the
time-honored tradition of political limit-cycle oscillations.

Speaking of rail-to-rail bang-bang control, DGMS on the Fed.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:59:12 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

torsdag den 29. september 2022 kl. 17.50.33 UTC+2 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 1:28:55 AM UTC+10, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.

\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.

Nah, they can do that without trashing expensive infrastructure.
Seawater does nasty things when it gets inside pipelines.

European voters are unfortunately going to get a good look at the
reasons you shouldn\'t allow an autistic seventeen-year-old to dictate
your energy policy. Hopefully the survivors will remember the tragic
lesson.
Greta Thunberg didn\'t dictate anybody\'s energy policy, She did make a good case for reduced reliance on burning fossil carbon as an energy source. If she\'d been taken more seriously, Europe might not now be quite so dependent on Russian natural gas.

Since moving to renewable energy sources involves a lot of capital investment, it was never going to happen fast, and her influence was never going to speed it up enough to make much difference to the current situation. Most of the motivation to make the move is that renewable energy sources offer cheaper electricity than burning fossil carbon or U-235, so there\'s not a lot of idealism involved.
\"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.\"
The climate change denial lobby is greedy, rather than mad, but they\'ve got to be pretty silly to to be that greedy for short term gain and remarkably dumb to ignore the long term damage (though most of that is showing up in Florida at the moment).


well the same people who have been yelling at politicians for not saving the world from global warming is now yelling for taxes on energy to be removed
because it is too expensive, I guess the environment is only important when it doesn\'t cost anything or someone else has to pay

Some people, not you and me, can\'t afford to keep their houses warm.

\"Let them eat ice.\"

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:28:55 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

This incident has Russian fingerprints all over it.

Seismologists in Denmark and Sweden said they had registered two powerful blasts on Monday in the vicinity of the leaks and the explosions were in the water, not under the seabed. Ummm...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/

Serves the idiots right for making themselves dependent on the most dependably undependable country in the world.
Why would the russkies dynamite their own pipeline? It sure cuts off
their options.

They can find a zillion excuses to shut off gas to europe, including
plain meanness and stupidity.


\"Any intentional disruption to EU energy networks would meet a \"robust
and united response\", its top diplomat said...\"

What can that possibly mean? Order more wool sox?

They want to punish the northern Europeans for giving Ukraine weapons in amounts that exceed the entire annual Russian defense budget.

Nah, they can do that without trashing expensive infrastructure.
Seawater does nasty things when it gets inside pipelines.

European voters are unfortunately going to get a good look at the
reasons you shouldn\'t allow an autistic seventeen-year-old to dictate
your energy policy. Hopefully the survivors will remember the tragic
lesson.

\"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.\"

They mean mad in the sense of insane. It\'s a bunch of superstitious ancient nonsense that has cause and effect mixed up- sounds like to me.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs