Climate risks dwarf Europe\'s energy crisis, space chief warns...

[Fred Bloggs]

\"The head of the European Space Agency (ESA) has warned economic damage from heatwaves and drought could dwarf Europe\'s energy crisis as he called for urgent action to tackle climate change.\"

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/climate-risks-dwarf-europes-energy-crisis-space-chief-warns-2022-08-11/

 

[Bob Engelhardt]

On 8/12/2022 7:25 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

\"[...] he called for urgent action to tackle climate change.\"
[...]

His urgent action needed is to develop a 2nd generation of satellite
monitors. Akin to appointing a committee to look into it.

At any rate, it\'s too late: we\'re past the tipping point and it\'s out of
our hands.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 11:58:58 PM UTC+10, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote:

On 8/12/2022 7:25 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"[...] he called for urgent action to tackle climate change.\"
[...]
His urgent action needed is to develop a 2nd generation of satellite
monitors. Akin to appointing a committee to look into it.

At any rate, it\'s too late: we\'re past the tipping point and it\'s out of
our hands.

Which tipping point would that be? The one where the extra costs imposed spending on climate change denial propaganda makes buying fossil fuels impossibly expensive?

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:58:51 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
<BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2022 7:25 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"[...] he called for urgent action to tackle climate change.\"
[...]
His urgent action needed is to develop a 2nd generation of satellite
monitors. Akin to appointing a committee to look into it.

At any rate, it\'s too late: we\'re past the tipping point and it\'s out of
our hands.

Excellent. We can stop worrying and whining and enjoy the rest of our
short lives.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:30:05 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:58:51 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/12/2022 7:25 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"[...] he called for urgent action to tackle climate change.\"
[...]
His urgent action needed is to develop a 2nd generation of satellite
monitors. Akin to appointing a committee to look into it.

At any rate, it\'s too late: we\'re past the tipping point and it\'s out of
our hands.

Excellent. We can stop worrying and whining and enjoy the rest of our short lives.

John Larkin is fond of irrational excuses for doing nothing.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 9:58:58 AM UTC-4, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote:

On 8/12/2022 7:25 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"[...] he called for urgent action to tackle climate change.\"
[...]
His urgent action needed is to develop a 2nd generation of satellite
monitors. Akin to appointing a committee to look into it.

At any rate, it\'s too late: we\'re past the tipping point and it\'s out of
our hands.

They still have the geoengineering option-.It\'s more than just the survival of mankind, it\'s the entire biosphere that must be saved because mankind can\'t live without it.
This write-up is pretty good:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_engineering
American Meteorological Society:
https://www.ametsoc.org/index.cfm/ams/about-ams/ams-statements/archive-statements-of-the-ams/geoengineering-the-climate-system/
and this:
https://geoengineering.global/#:~:text=What%20is%20Geoengineering%3F,on%20our%20civilization%20and%20biosphere.

 

[whit3rd]

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 7:12:41 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 11:58:58 PM UTC+10, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/12/2022 7:25 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"[...] he called for urgent action to tackle climate change.\"

At any rate, it\'s too late: we\'re past the tipping point and it\'s out of
our hands.

Which tipping point would that be? The one where the extra costs imposed spending on climate change denial propaganda makes buying fossil fuels impossibly expensive?

No, the point where water and food (which are NEEDS) become excessively expensive unless
we all diminish fossil fuel pollution (which is a want, not a need).

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 7:04:50 PM UTC+10, whit3rd wrote:

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 7:12:41 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 11:58:58 PM UTC+10, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/12/2022 7:25 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"[...] he called for urgent action to tackle climate change.\"
At any rate, it\'s too late: we\'re past the tipping point and it\'s out of
our hands.

Which tipping point would that be? The one where the extra costs imposed spending on climate change denial propaganda makes buying fossil fuels impossibly expensive?

No, the point where water and food (which are NEEDS) become excessively expensive unless
we all diminish fossil fuel pollution (which is a want, not a need).

Actually the usual meaning of \"tipping point\" in this context is where global warming has gone far enough to generate enough environmental change that global warming would keep on getting worse even if we managed to reduce atmospheric CO2 levels below 270 ppm.

When the Arctic sea ice finally goes away and the Arctic Ocean stays ice-free all the year round the albedo of that region will go up quite a bit - that kind of thing. It\'s talking about an irreversible result.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[corvid]

On 8/13/22 03:49, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

When the Arctic sea ice finally goes away and the Arctic Ocean stays
ice-free all the year round the albedo of that region will go up
quite a bit - that kind of thing. It\'s talking about an irreversible
result.

If the Russian navy will paint all of their decks white, that could help.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 08:25:29 -0700, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

On 8/13/22 03:49, Anthony William Sloman wrote:


When the Arctic sea ice finally goes away and the Arctic Ocean stays
ice-free all the year round the albedo of that region will go up
quite a bit - that kind of thing. It\'s talking about an irreversible
result.

If the Russian navy will paint all of their decks white, that could help.

The Black Sea is actually white, because we never emerged from the
last irreversible ice age.

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 8:25:38 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote:

On 8/13/22 03:49, Anthony William Sloman wrote:


When the Arctic sea ice finally goes away and the Arctic Ocean stays
ice-free all the year round the albedo of that region will go up
quite a bit - that kind of thing. It\'s talking about an irreversible
result.
If the Russian navy will paint all of their decks white, that could help.

Help what? Target acquisition?

 

[server]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:43:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 9:58:58 AM UTC-4, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/12/2022 7:25 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"[...] he called for urgent action to tackle climate change.\"
[...]
His urgent action needed is to develop a 2nd generation of satellite
monitors. Akin to appointing a committee to look into it.

At any rate, it\'s too late: we\'re past the tipping point and it\'s out of
our hands.

They still have the geoengineering option-.It\'s more than just the survival of mankind, it\'s the entire biosphere that must be saved because mankind can\'t live without it.

Have you been outside lately? It\'s green and beautiful.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:40:09 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 08:25:29 -0700, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:

On 8/13/22 03:49, Anthony William Sloman wrote:


When the Arctic sea ice finally goes away and the Arctic Ocean stays
ice-free all the year round the albedo of that region will go up
quite a bit - that kind of thing. It\'s talking about an irreversible
result.

If the Russian navy will paint all of their decks white, that could help.

The Black Sea is actually white, because we never emerged from the
last irreversible ice age.

We have been alternating between ice ages and interglacials roughly every 100,000 years for the last past few million years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

If this was intended to be a joke, it was a remarkably ill-informed one

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 9:58:18 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:43:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 9:58:58 AM UTC-4, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/12/2022 7:25 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"[...] he called for urgent action to tackle climate change.\"
[...]
His urgent action needed is to develop a 2nd generation of satellite
monitors. Akin to appointing a committee to look into it.

At any rate, it\'s too late: we\'re past the tipping point and it\'s out of
our hands.

They still have the geoengineering option-.It\'s more than just the survival of mankind, it\'s the entire biosphere that must be saved because mankind can\'t live without it.
Have you been outside lately? It\'s green and beautiful.

Some places may stay that way.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 4:58:18 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:43:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

They still have the geoengineering option-.It\'s more than just the survival of mankind, it\'s the entire biosphere that must be saved because mankind can\'t live without it.

Have you been outside lately? It\'s green and beautiful.

\'the entire biosphere\' isn\'t represented by a wind-from-the-ocean coastal site.
Po river valley, and the Rhine, aren\'t looking \'green and beautiful\'
just now.

 

[Robert Latest]

Anthony William Sloman wrote:

Actually the usual meaning of \"tipping point\" in this context is where global
warming has gone far enough to generate enough environmental change that
global warming would keep on getting worse even if we managed to reduce
atmospheric CO2 levels below 270 ppm.

When the Arctic sea ice finally goes away and the Arctic Ocean stays ice-free
all the year round the albedo of that region will go up quite a bit - that
kind of thing. It\'s talking about an irreversible result.

\"Irreversible\" in this context means: within the time frame of the existence of
the human species, or human civilization as we know it. Which is maybe
thousands of years (species) or decades (civilization). Earth has been swinging
back and forth between more extreme conditions, but each time with what amounts
to a complete overhaul of the biosphere. Pockets of humans may survive such
swings in some parts of the world, but not under conditions that I want to.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (14 Aug 2022 09:50:34 GMT) it happened Robert Latest
<boblatest@yahoo.com> wrote in <jlrur9Fgg1pU1@mid.individual.net>:

Anthony William Sloman wrote:
Actually the usual meaning of \"tipping point\" in this context is where global
warming has gone far enough to generate enough environmental change that
global warming would keep on getting worse even if we managed to reduce
atmospheric CO2 levels below 270 ppm.

When the Arctic sea ice finally goes away and the Arctic Ocean stays ice-free
all the year round the albedo of that region will go up quite a bit - that
kind of thing. It\'s talking about an irreversible result.

\"Irreversible\" in this context means: within the time frame of the existence of
the human species, or human civilization as we know it. Which is maybe
thousands of years (species) or decades (civilization). Earth has been swinging
back and forth between more extreme conditions, but each time with what amounts
to a complete overhaul of the biosphere. Pockets of humans may survive such
swings in some parts of the world, but not under conditions that I want to.

We have technology these day to help us survive.
That is if the green idiots did not kill all power generating methods by then.
<nuclear, coal, oil, what have you>
Else a big setback for humans..

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:09:04 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (14 Aug 2022 09:50:34 GMT) it happened Robert Latest
bobl...@yahoo.com> wrote in <jlrur9...@mid.individual.net>:
Anthony William Sloman wrote:

Actually the usual meaning of \"tipping point\" in this context is where global
warming has gone far enough to generate enough environmental change that
global warming would keep on getting worse even if we managed to reduce
atmospheric CO2 levels below 270 ppm.

When the Arctic sea ice finally goes away and the Arctic Ocean stays ice-free
all the year round the albedo of that region will go up quite a bit - that
kind of thing. It\'s talking about an irreversible result.

\"Irreversible\" in this context means: within the time frame of the existence of
the human species, or human civilization as we know it. Which is maybe
thousands of years (species) or decades (civilization). Earth has been swinging
back and forth between more extreme conditions, but each time with what amounts
to a complete overhaul of the biosphere. Pockets of humans may survive such
swings in some parts of the world, but not under conditions that I want to.

We have technology these day to help us survive.
That is if the green idiots did not kill all power generating methods by then.
nuclear, coal, oil, what have you

The \"green idiots\" seem perfectly happy with solar cells and windmills, which do happen to provide electric power more cheaply than any of the sources you list. You need to throw in quite a bit of grid storage to cope with the fact that the sun doesn\'t shine and the wind doesn\'t blow all the time, but that\'s just even more additional investment that cheapskate groups don\'t want to pay for.

> Else a big setback for humans..

Screwing up the climate by dumping a lot of CO2 in the atmosphere is shaping up as a pretty big setback for humanity. There are a bunchy of sub-human idiots who don\'t seem to be up to getting the message, and want to make the set-back even worse.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jan Panteltje]

Billy The CO2 Kid screamed:

The \"green idiots\" seem perfectly happy with solar cells and windmills, which
do happen to provide electric power more cheaply than any of the sources
you list. You need to throw in quite a bit of grid storage to cope with the
fact that the sun doesn\'t shine and the wind doesn\'t blow all the time, but
that\'s just even more additional investment that cheapskate groups don\'t
want to pay for.

We have currently no way to store that much energy,
the climate and weather will create periods without sun (volcanic eruptions)
and windmills will fly apart in decent storms
It is all about redundancy
The electric grid will break down again and again as it always does,
the solar panels will be blown of the roofs and land as happened many times.
Decent hail storms will put holes in those too.
No electricity and all transport electric means no emergency services in those situations
Greens have no clue, they have been brainwashed, a whole generation, by Al Gore and his polar bear club.
and now destroy everything.
Logic reasoning they are not capable of.. isolating homes here in the Netherlands
and taking those of the gas, claiming it is needed because of CO2 and glowballworming like you do,
but forgetting at the same time to put in aircos!!!!!
How incredible stupid can you get >>> warming >>> needs >>> cooling

Screwing up the climate by dumping a lot of CO2 in the atmosphere is shaping
up as a pretty big setback for humanity.

CO2 has nothing much to do with it,
you are clearly not willing to look up CO2 versus warm and cold periods in the past
Neither has reading up on earth orbit related cycles did anything to your misunderstandings
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm

There are a bunchy of sub-human idiots
who don\'t seem to be up to getting the message, and want to make the
set-back even worse.

Well, you flying down under in that CO2 emitting jet is that what you meant???

 

[server]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 23:14:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 4:58:18 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:43:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

They still have the geoengineering option-.It\'s more than just the survival of mankind, it\'s the entire biosphere that must be saved because mankind can\'t live without it.

Have you been outside lately? It\'s green and beautiful.

\'the entire biosphere\' isn\'t represented by a wind-from-the-ocean coastal site.
Po river valley, and the Rhine, aren\'t looking \'green and beautiful\'
just now.

Weather happens \"just now\".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thomas_Wyke-_Thames_frost_fair.JPG

And not very long ago Michigan was under a mile of ice.

But irrational fear, and profiteering from same, gets even deeper.

Be as afraid as you enjoy. Stay under your bed and leave more hiking
trails for us.